Tony and Leanne Argyle have interviewed over 120 expats and full time travellers during the last 5 years about their lifestyle choices and, inspired by the results they have found, have hit the road themselves as full time travellers in 2019.

Nicole (Host):  Welcome to the moving roadmap podcast powered by Ave. My name is Nicole, and I'll be your host for the show. In this episode, we're excited to introduce our guests Tony and Leanne Argyle, who have interviewed over 120, expats and full time travelers during the last five years about their lifestyle choices and inspired by the results they have found have hit the road themselves as full time travelers in 2019. You can subscribe to their free magazine with travel tips and inspiring traveler interviews at Travaticale.com Welcome to the show, Tony and Leanne. 

Tony:  Thank you very much. Nice to be here. 

Leanne:  Hi, Nicole. 

Nicole (Host):  Welcome. So exciting, amazing intro, I mean, you guys traveling, interviewing experts all over the world. How exciting. So tell us like, Where are you originally from? 

Tony:  Well, originally from New Zealand, we actually moved from into Australia in 2009. So that was our original shift. And we've lived here for probably the better part of the last 10 years. But we're really only here at the moment because of what's been going on in the world of prison. So we're pretty much global travelers and have been for the last year and a bit. 

Leanne:  Yeah, yeah, we've been having a, we've been very fortunate, but looking back, but we've actually had a year under our belt with it. And we had a couple of little smaller test runs, to make sure this is what we wanted to do like a month in Chiangmai and then three months in Europe. Leading up to that in 2017-18. But yeah, it's uh, yeah, we're into it. Now. We just kind of hit pause like everybody else. Yeah, waiting to find out what's going to happen next. But um, we've got a few plans in place and working towards some things as well. So yeah, we're a bit excited about it. 

Nicole (Host):  Love it. So completely world travelers. Amazing. So tell it like, how did you guys decide that this is what you wanted to do traveling full time? 

Tony:  Well, like most people, we always chase the golden ring. It was about making money so that one day we could do the things we wanted to do. And I used to have a bit of a dream list of things I wanted to achieve. And I always notice the fact that you know, 80 things out of 100 things I most want to achieve in life or travel related. But of course, like most people, you need a lot of money to do it. And then one day, we were sitting in bed, it was morning, I remember and Leanne was reading from Facebook, as she spends a lot of time on Facebook. And she says, this comment that his friends made on this guy from back from our hometown. He was living in Thailand at the time and spending $1,000 a month to live there. I said, so that's what we have to spend to live in Thailand. And she says here and I says, Wow. So what are we what are we doing when, you know, we think we need a lot of money to make travels. 

Leanne:  But what's kind of like a copyright No, like copyright, what's he doing living in a cardboard box in the middle of the road like...

Tony:  He was living like a king. And then as we explored, we discovered there was a lot more people who were living this lifestyle of traveling for basically less than the cost of staying at home. And that's kind of where it started from because it was really about learning the experience and people who are doing it. And so we started interviewing people really as a means of learning from others. And our original podcast was called the expat chat we've renamed it travatical now, but we spoke to probably over 100 people 220 odd really, who's lifestyle of some of the experts, some of them had moved full time. Some of them were just traveling on the road, there was families, older people, younger people, couples singles, and discover that there's a whole world out there and people who were doing this and doing it very affordably so that was that was the catalyst for us to be motivated to do it. 

Nicole (Host):  I love it. I'm tell you Facebook, brings a lot of revelations doesn't it? Glad it was the positive that allowed you to realize right? Like going and traveling and being in different countries can allow you to live right a look almost more luxurious lifestyle, or just more culturally enriching life than if you were to stay at home and you know, do the nine to five, the traditional lifestyle. 

Tony:  When you live in the Western world, I say to people quite frequently living in a Western environment. The downside is the cost of living but the upside is also the cost of living because it means you can go elsewhere and generally live lis and staying high. And that's that's the beauty and that's kind of what we tap into with what we do and what others are doing to you. You can explore so much the world for less than the cost of living in America or Canada or Australia, New Zealand, UK because they're quite expensive countries to live in you know, you can travel and explore and get a lot more value for your money in other environments and have twice as much fun...

Leanne:  Yea, what you make an Australian dollar and spend it in Bulgaria happy days, you know, like, it's the best thing ever. And Greece Oh my God, Greece is like our, I've got such a hole for that place. I honestly, I just love it there it is just like this place.

Nicole (Host):  Love it. So how do you choose where to travel? So once you decided, Okay, you guys want to travel? I think a lot of people use the word geo arbitrage, you know, making currency in one place, and then being able to spend it and it lasts longer somewhere else. Right? It's kind of like what you're alluding to with being able to travel to these, you know, more affordable cities and countries. So how do you actually decide where you want to travel? At least like when you started off? Like, what was your criteria? What are we looking for? 

Tony:  Well, we probably we haven't made as adventurous as we want to be here. We've kind of concentrated on Europe, but it's probably not so much where to travel. But when to travel, like we want to get to a lot of countries, we don't want price to be the factor to stop us. But when you choose the timing of when you go as probably the biggest factor. So the first thing is starting with a budget. 

Leanne:  So you've got to start with, like your living budget of what you're going to do and what you're going to live on for that year. And basically, I think you worked it out as what our costs would, and you are living at home. Yeah. So what it costs for us to live at home for the basic living costs, like a house insurance and petrol and all the rest of it in the Yeah, yeah...

Tony:  I'm an accountant in my former life. So I bore to death with numbers...

Leanne:  It's exciting when it all works. And we can go traveling, it's all good.

Tony:  It is a case of timing. So you know, for example, we really enjoy the UK. But when we're there because the UK is more expensive, we do a lot of house sitting. And we'll generally go there during the more expensive northern summer months, like July, August, and will lie low and move house set. And basically save money, let everyone else run around Europe and spin the big dollars. And then we'll go back into Europe. Before that or after it. So April, May last year, we were in, you know, in most of Europe. And then again after September onwards, when the weather is still nice, but the prices are better the crowds are less and heat is gone.

Leanne:  It's got so many places to travel. So on the shoulder season, especially when you, why go when everybody else goes, if you don't have to crazy talk, it's crazy talk. You know, and it's much more I think, even the locals are more excited to see you. Whereas sometimes it's just like getting the sheep off the ship, and then getting them on the you know, like it's kind of a little bit of a machine type thing. Whereas doing what we do and going on Airbnb doing that sort of stuff, or to get living like locals rather than on hotels and things like that, like, our whole thing is travel further for longer, more often the police sector. And you can do that if you actually think about it. 

Leanne:  So you can have actually more adventures. And even if you don't want to go and throw the whole Talon and do what we're doing, you can actually go and travel further, more often beliefs, because you can, you can might say, Oh, well, I want to go in three months, and I want to walk the Camino. And when I'm there, I'm also going to do X, Y, Z. So it's kind of like having a plan. So then you know, what, can we get you back and go from there. But do it in the shoulder season, do it and you know, not when everybody else is doing it. 

Tony:  Most of the world is very affordable. You know, most countries in the world, people are living in those countries for considerably less than what we pay in our Western lifestyle. So you just got to tap into that and take advantage. And slower is a big factor as well. You know, we people think it doesn't make sense to travel slow that will cost you more because you're traveling for longer, but it's about your average daily cost and what it would have cost you to stay where you were back home. And that's the secret to it. 

Nicole (Host):  Definitely. And you kind of actually like went over like what's the process? It seems like, you know, deciding what's your budget, then making sure the season is appropriate, right, like non touristic seasons, you're going to enjoy more versus competing with everyone in long lines to see the same thing. So how long do you typically spend in each country? 

Tony:  Well, I don't know if there's a definite date but in my head and I don't know whether we always do it. I kind of have a month in mind because I think you need to settle into a place for a period of time to do that. So we're not looking to run around. You know, it's probably one of the hardest things I found because in the old days you know when you were back working and you're on holiday you had to rush everything was a rush and

Tony:  It was hard to shake that experience off of doing that. But when you slow down, you really see a place and you get to know people. And the experience is completely unlike what you would have as a tourist, which is really not much more than a glorified version of what you get back home. You know, people say, Well, I've seen Rome, did you? Or did you just spend two days in a bus looking at tourist sites and never spoke to him? Because it was all done for you? I mean, that's, that's not seeing, Rome! Yeah. So you're going to do these things slow down, savor it, don't feel like you have to do something every day, we're quite happy just to walk to the you know, the local shop and buy a loaf of bread and some cheese and, you know, talk bad French to them and won the best experience.

Nicole (Host):  Absolutely. 

Leanne:  Quite more rewarding too, you know? And I like last year, we like we kicked it off for three weeks hacer in Singapore. Now Singapore is an expensive city or country should say. And we were lucky enough to get a three week house up there. So we didn't have accommodation costs, we bought a rail card. So we could travel on on the the train system, you can go anywhere they are on their train system, we just had a ball like but there's no way we would have spent three weeks here in a hotel, just not even a remote. 

Tony:  And we found how to do it affordable, affordably because, you know, we go through Singapore quite often being, you know, living in Australia to Europe, but it's always been the more expensive side of Singapore, we've seen this way we were able to find the places that were affordable, cheaply, you know, explore parts of Singapore where it's very affordable,...

Leanne:  Like Little India and Singapore is like our favorite place to go. Because it's like a subculture inside the city. And the prices reflect that. Yeah. So it's some, it's amazing there, and everybody's really friendly. And it's got a real buzz with it as well. It's right in the middle of the city. And it's easy to get to from the airport. Like we we generally have long layovers here. So we'll go into Little India and get some food and, and stuff like that. And as a society, it's easy, it is actually very simple to get around the, it's very easy. 

Leanne:  So after that, we went to Bulgaria, we went to Greece, we've been to Greece before.And we spend about three weeks, two and a half weeks or something in Bulgaria, but we only went to two places. And we really, like we plugged up and we went to Sofia, and we've made lifelong friends on a walking tour. And Sophia. Like we went on a free wine tour. Like, you know, I and we it's just amazing, who you meet, we had a month buying with, we had our daughter with us, which was an absolute treat on that time. So you know, like going, but we only went to three places and that whole month. So yeah,...

Tony:  Absolutely great way to explore I know, you know, you're talking about expats and a lot of people the idea of making a big move overseas is quite scary. And that's understandable. But it doesn't mean you can't do it in small steps. You know, we basically before we decided we would do this as a full time lifestyle, we had some practice routes, we wanted to see if it was going to be affordable, we wanted to see if we would enjoy it for a period of time before we committed to leaving our home. So you know, thinking being experts, just go for three months for start and see how you feel before you you know, burn them burn the boats. And that sort of stuff, you know, test it out, there's opportunities to do that you can do anything you want travel these days, there's so much flexibility. 

Leanne:  We went to Chiang Mai first for a month back in 2018 to see just simply to see whether we could live for the same cost as that live to live at home for a month and go to Chiang Mai. It was a piece of cake, piece of cake. We ate out every meal. It's okay I you know I'm we were having a great time there was really good. And with Araya this is pretty cool. So at the end of 2018, the same year. And then at the end, we made September, October, November and came back at the beginning of December. And we did we went to Greece were in Greece for a while and then we went to Italy, Europe in a bit of time and stuff like that, Spain, all that sort of stuff. And it was like we were just like that we just got to do this like it was we just loved it. It was hassling we didn't have setting we did all this stuff. And it was like...

Tony:  There was there was a way of educating our son. You know, because the great thing was we left him on his own for three months knowing that we wouldn't be able to handle us being back in the house with him. So it made it very say hey, we're going you have to leave he said happy days I'm having here I don't want to be part of this anymore because you're coming home and you keep saying, where you going? What are you doing?...

Leanne:  Because I told him that's what would happen, and it happened, So yeah.

Nicole (Host):  Hilarious. So tell me a little about this house sitting because you've referred to it several times, but maybe some of our listeners have never heard of this. So what is house sitting? And how do you do it? 

Leanne:  Okay, so I am basically going to look after somebody's house, generally with pizza as well. So when you go on to different sites, there's quite a few different sites throughout the world that have it. Some are specialized, and they're in a particular country, one of the ones that we, well the one that we belong to is called trusted house sitters. They are probably the most international website that you can get onto this, just like generally, not maybe so much at the moment, but that's coming right? Generally, like customized houses, like in America, Canada, Australia, like there's loads in the UK, it's a UK based one. 

Tony:  So basically how it works, the homeowner wants to go on holiday, but they have pets and the concern about them being cared, so they've got to put them into a carery or Kindles or whatever. But that comes with a cost. And it's very unsettling for the animals. So for the homeowner, it's really a win win win because the homeowner gets somebody in the house to mind the home. But also look after the pets, the the normal environment. From our point of view, obviously, we get free accommodation and the local experience of living in a village or town or wherever the places and the pet gets the security of business as usual, just for somebody to feed them, they get to be happy, as long as they're getting their food, they don't care who's in the house.

Tony:  So it's a great opportunity for everyone. Really, it's a real win win win experience. And there's a number of sites that do it. Some of them are country specific. So you know, if you're looking to go to Australia, for example, as Ozzy house sitters, is, yeah, that's mind, my home. And there's a whole lot of different countries. 

Nicole (Host):  Very interesting. Yeah, I'm sure some of our listeners that are listening to that advice that you say, you know, take, you know, do a small trip three months or something, test it out to see if you want to go the full extent of living an expat life and fully moving abroad. But for others who, you know, maybe just want to experience a different culture, shorter time, this is really interesting, this house sitting and definitely more affordable, because you were mentioning, you know, like the affordable going abroad. But if you have a home base that you're paying for, and then you also are looking for other accommodations that can get a little expensive there. So love this tip.

Tony:  We went both ways. You know, if the homeowner has pets wanting to try other country, but is thinking, well, I can't go because of the pets, then put it on a hassling side of somebody's mind. And for you while you do that experience another country, we've made that commitment. 

Leanne:  It's great, because it's so affordable to join the sites like generally, I think, I'm not sure how much trust. Yes, it's like a nice accommodation. Like for 12 months of doing whatever is payed 10 folds 20, 50 fold, it's, it's crazy. We were in your class year in England, and we were there for a full month. And York's an expensive place to be. And we would be for a whole month looking after one cat...

Tony:  You kinda of have to build your profile. And there's a bit of a catch 22 for a start because you know, yeah, we've got reviews you don't get the house sits and you can't get the house sitts until you got the references. So, but generally you can upload once you've done for friends and family for start. I mean, we found out how to get going. But we eventually got to a point where we're getting good reviews. And now we get people approaching us which is nice. 

Leanne:  It actually didn't take very long. I didn't once once we got the hang of it, it was fine. But one thing I will recommend as some house sitting lifestyle. It's a website by Vanessa and Ian Vanessa Anderson and Ian Asher. And they run the it's kind of like a free thing you want to know to set yourself up to do it. It's amazing. And they also run a bi monthly magazine and they're so life house sitting lifestyle, it's called. And so I really recommend anybody who's looking to do something like that is to go in and really go through their website. And it's all free information. I think they've got a little course that you can do if you really want to sort of superpower it as well, which is really reasonable. So yeah, I really recommend that anybody who's looking to do that should go and have a look at that as well. 

Nicole (Host):  Definitely It sounds like you guys have a wealth of information about the house sitting so we'll be sure to include it in the details so that others who are listening they can easily find those sites because this is so exciting. I'm sure a lot of people listening are excited about this. I am.

Leanne:  One of the things that we really like about house setting is actually meeting the neighbors. So we often ask why we almost always ask the homeowner when we're booking you know who's What do you get on with the neighbors like Who are they and like generally will either be introduced or

Leanne:  goneWe get to know them, we usually end up knowing the neighbors better than the homeowners half the time because you know, like, we're with them and the house owners have gone away. So, we've had some awesome experiences and you know, doing all sorts of crazy stuff on this web,...

Tony:  Put it this way, if I had to choose between paying for hotel paying to do a house sitt, i'll do a house sits, because you're getting away with so it's wonderful that it saves money, but it's that local experience of living in the environment, meeting people, and the pets are great fun, too. I mean, dogs are great. They make you get out and do your exercise. You wouldn't do it otherwise have the dog. So happy as you are with the neighbors.

Nicole (Host):  Love it. Okay, so I've heard so many amazing things. I mean, you guys are world travelers have great tips. Definitely Pros for sure. What, but let's see the other side. What are some challenges you've experienced with living this Nomad lifestyle?

Leanne:  Well, it's fairly easy to one of the challenges is, this all sounds great, but you've got to have a reason to get up in the morning. So what we would recommend is that you actually want to have something to do. Maybe not so much. If you were doing like a three month stint because it's different, but with a full time traveler thing. You've got to have you got to have a plan. Really, don't you like a reason to get up in the morning and reason, you know, to plan your day, otherwise, it can get away on you. And it's all right. Every now and again. But you really need to, I don't know, have a purpose really.

Tony:  We kind of found it by accident when we did one of our first test runs. And we mentioned about going to Chiang Mai that was to see what the cost of living would be for us. Could we live there as cheaply as sitting on the couch at home? We found we could we stayed there for a month and about 10 days into it. We kind of were looking each other going well, this is absolutely fantastic. But what do we do all day, because basically where we were staying we had we were in an apartment. There was no cooking required because food is dirt cheap there. There was no place to claim because they clean the apartment for us. It was no gardens to do because the gardens were done, we had no laundry to do because

Nicole (Host):  It sounds like paradise. 

Unknown Speaker  It was wonderful. But by day 10. And you want us to like shop and have another $1 coffee and look at each other and go. So what are we going to do today? I don't know what to do. I don't know. And you do realize that as wonderful as it sounds, you also need that purpose. So yeah, because you're not sightseeing, you're not busy, busy all day, some days, you don't want to be rushing around, but to balance your budget. So you need some other purpose, you need something that gives you a reason to be doing what you do.

Leanne:  Whether, whether it's blogging, or whether it's like some people have portable jobs. So you know, whatever it is that you spend, you know, a little bit of time doing that sort of stuff to get the brain functioning and, and have kind of a little bit of normality. Like when we did that, that month, we got to day 10. And we were like it's, Okay, this is great. But now what and we worked out, we got a piece of paper out and we said, Right, well, how many hours would we spend doing the garden at home and how many, how many hours we spend making meals and that sort of stuff. And we actually worked out that we were freeing up about 18 hours a week, that's a lot of hours. 

Tony:  We didn't have to buy groceries, we do spend a couple of hours on that. But the time you travel, you buy your groceries you can be you know, so all this time was back, which is fantastic. But then, you know, it's a first world problem now. It is something to be doing...

Leanne:  Yeah, because it came it came play a little bit of havoc with your mental health. So you know, when you're used to, you know, chasing the dollar and that sort of stuff. And to actually just come down off a high I guess, you know, like, it's when you go on holiday, but then your holiday doesn't mean it becomes something different. And and it's about kind of readjusting and working out, like how you play in fitness or whether you're, you know, you're planning like Tony and I've decided we're going to plan to walk the Camino 800 kilometers. So we were working out what that means. We don't know. We're hoping we can get it and hopefully next year, but if not the year after. But it's something like a chunk of time that you can work towards. So there's something there that we're now working on, for example. So yeah, that's I would say that would be the number one thing that we have learned.

Tony:  And you can't talk to anyone about it unless they're fellow travelers because you know, if we say that to our friends back home, it's like poor guys, it doesn't walk. Nobody cares.

Nicole (Host):  That is very true. Very good point. And you know, even even as an expat life as well. You know, when you move abroad, there are certain things that when you share like, Oh, you know, well, I'm going to go to this beautiful lake or I'm going to go to this other country, there's just certain things that people back home won't relate to. So completely understand that even on the traveling... 

Tony:  On a honeymoon phase, I mean, I know when we first moved to Australia, it was just wonderful, a long period of time, but then you reach a point where it becomes your new normal, you know, expenses are probably very aware of as well. 

Nicole (Host):  Definitely. So you guys have given amazing advice and tips already, because people who are considering to, you know, leave their nine to five and consider the Nomad life or adding travel more in the coming years, to their to their life plans. What advice would you give to someone who is planning to to make that leap from having their home base to being an official world traveler, slash Nomad.

Tony:  I think take small steps. It's not an all or nothing. As I said, we tested it. We went to Chiang Mai for a month in Thailand to see whether the budget work because you know, we'd interviewed these people, and they said it would work. We wanted to test that for ourselves. And then we did our three months that to say, well, do we really want to do this? Do we feel comfortable on the road? And we did all that. And we tested it before we made the full commitment. And we said, Yes, we're going to do this, we're going to, you know, basically, rent the house out celluloid gear and make the move, I don't think you want to leap in boots and all without giving yourself the chance to test it. But the great thing is these days, you can I mean, it is very affordable to travel. And you might just go for three months, six months, you might decide you just want to do a 12 month one to rent the house and then go back to your lifestyle. I mean, you can do whatever you want. You've got so much freedom and flexibility with travel these days. To do it your way, you don't have to do it the way anyone else does it. And as I say, when we did you know all the interviews were done on the podcast, there's such a variety of people of all shapes and sizes from all different countries. 

Tony:  You know, what to say families, older people, younger people, gay, straight, black, white doesn't matter. It's everybody is doing it in their own way. And you can do it your own way as well. So the main thing is just to find out what works for you, and it yourself into it don't don't over commend you can back out if you don't really enjoy it as much as you think. And then when you're comfortable. You've been up to your knees, then go right on, I'm getting rid of the rubber ring, and I'm diving in boots and all.

Leanne:  I think one thing that the last two to three months is taught a lot of people is that we go along with this cliche, you only live once. While I think it's made a bit of a wake up call for people that you actually only get one chance. Yeah, I think it's a it's been a big wake up call. And there's going to be a lot of people that are going to be reevaluating in our already reevaluating what the life means to them and what they're going to do. And, you know, there's people that are already planning to drive around Australia, there's people that just are just throwing caution to what not given caution, like really, it's it's educated, you know, this of what's going to happen, and people just want to go and live their lives. Yeah, why do you literally only get one shot? So you might as well give it a crack. 

Tony:  We're lucky we're young enough that you know, we know there'll be more years of travel, but I feel for those people who are older who have maybe waited till retirement to go traveling and this is a year of your life a bit lost for them yet they might they may lose 2021 year two, we don't know what's gonna pan out and and even if it restarts and what format we don't know. So, for those who wait, you know, I think we've seen a pretty clear example of what happens if you don't embrace life, or you can go on.

Nicole (Host):  That's amazing advice. I'm sure for anyone who's listening and is thinking about, you know, taking the leap. You know, it's not an all or nothing and test it for yourself and just do it in your own way. That's amazing advice. Sometimes we just need those words of encouragement to go You know what, let me do it. And like you mentioned, with everything that's happening around the world today, people really are evaluating their life, like their purpose, what is meaningful to them what takes priority? And you know, it's really going to shed light to know what could you be doing? So, love that.

Leanne:  I've come up with a new saying, it's like, why have a trip of a lifetime, you should have a life of a lifetime. That's what you should have. 

Nicole (Host):  You're just so quotable. I love it.

Leanne:  No, I didn't, I made it up today. And lately, it makes me cringe that saying the trip of a lifetime It sounds like you're never going away anywhere again. And it's terrible. I mean, I'm happy that they're going but that is that all you're going to do to live a life of a lifetime guys like seriously...

Tony:  It's not expensive and there's people that have gone before you whether you are a full time expat or whether you want to travel like we do. There's communities out there ready to embrace you people that are already doing it, and they're happy to share there knowledge. 

Leanne:  More than happy now, they just want people to enjoy it like they are. 

Nicole (Host):  Yep, very quotable.

Tony:  Okay, so I love wrapping things up with a random question, of course, because you guys have traveled to so many different places. It's going to be a little tricky, hopefully. Yeah. So where's the best city you visited? Probably Valencia, I think, yeah, Valencia, Valencia. In Spain, we actually really enjoyed that even more than probably Barcelona which gets all the rave reviews and all the tourists and so on. But Valencia, the me offered everything the Barcelona head on smaller scale.

Nicole (Host):  It's more of its more diverse really isn't like it's crazy. It's got so much history, and yet, you bite they've closed off the river. And you can bite down the river bit their higher bite. And this like goes for about five K's or something. And you get to the end. And I'll just leave people to Google what's at the end. it's mind blowing, totally different.

Nicole (Host):  Love it. Put us at a cliff there with the "we have to Google it and see". Great to see even you both agree with Valencia. So thanks for sharing that. So where can our listeners find you on social? 

Tony:  Okay, so we've got our website it's travetical.com that's travel and sabbatical together. So we've got a free magazine on there. We do regular interviews with people. So if you want to sign up, we'll let you know when we've done a new interview. And when the next magazine comes out, and it's for those looking to do this lifestyle, we have a lot of contributors who share their experiences of doing it. So yeah,...

Leanne:  Yeah. And we always put it in one theory, very special interview that we've managed to procure from somewhere that we've think that is worthy of going in the magazine. And issue three just came out last week. And I must say, it's probably one of my very favorite interviews. And they're, the couple that they New Zealanders. We've never met them before. We don't know everybody in New Zealand.

Leanne:  But we had met this guy through another interview. Honestly, it was just the best interview. So I really recommend people go and actually it's an issue three, so you should go and check it out. 

Nicole (Host):  Absolutely. Love it. Tony and Leanne. Thank you so much for sharing your journey and inspiring our listeners who are looking to, you know, become full time travelers. So thank you for sharing. We're going to include all the links that you have mentioned and even all the other resources that you probably have in the description so that anyone who's listening can follow along and maybe consider housesitting, or, you know just look at the website and podcasts that you have. So thank you so much for joining us on the show. 

Tony & Leanne Argyle:  No problem. Absolute pleasure. It's been great fun Nicole.